People think sharks are cool cause they are strong yet a single orca could take one out. It’s even likely that smaller individuals of either species would have fallen prey to the other. They'll realize NOT all of them will survive the fight, so a certain amount of them will accept death in order for the group to win. Each Orca is 30 feet in length. That’s how whales escape orcas. Why would it hide in trenches? According to the encephalization quotient(eq) system for determining intelligence, whales dumb dolphins smart. The Megalodon … They’ve gone too far, this is madness. The meg must bite off the fins to win which can only be done in an ambush. i think its just like giant squid and sperm whale there is a 50 50 chance of either of them winning, i think megalodon because it have the most powerful biteforce in history powerful than a T.Rex!and hunt bigger whales but when livyatan did live in pods well it can kill the 59 feet megalodon but if scientist found a larger teeth of a megalodon yeah megalodon can kill a pod of livytan but its still not confirmed of livyatan live in pods and if livyatan did not live in pods well megalodon can kill them because there is some whales that did not live in pods. First their large size and ability to out run their prey (at least for short bursts) allows killer whales to both surprise their prey and flee from potential attacks before the great white can … The Orcas want a dead Megalodon. 3. Oh I forgot it says no links because it promotes other sites. Again, it's probably 50/50 chance for both. leviathan bite force is 21000psi and meg is 35000psi but leviathan=huge teeth so livyatan=win, don't underestimate whales. @wyldsong: Not really. If it's the Meg from that picture, he eats all 25 in one bite. I don't think livyatan hunts sharks considering there are no known evidences of that but the megalodon is used to hunting whales and livyatan is one of them. This is like asking if 25 Super Middle Weight Boxers can take on 1 Cruiser weight Boxer. So it seems Livyatan’s descandants are far more powerful and less likely to be preyed upon than megalodon’s descendants. Using the killer whale and great white argument is wrong. But what about in a head-to-head encounter? Also megalodon had exposed body parts like the gills. Megalodon it is. Both the great white shark and the killer whale or orca are fearsome top predators. The remaining surivivors mate and breed to replenish their population. Blue whales have endured hours worth’s of bites from pods of 20+ orcas and still managed to escape, so they must be pretty durable. In the instance of a fight between a full-grown male of the former and a full-grown female of the latter though, I think given what we know about modern sharks and whales in almost all instances, Livyatan wins, barring poor health or a preexisting injury that would compromise its ability to overcome Meg. either of these relatives both work in pods for self defense. Does anyone here know exactly how thick megalodons hide was? Although Livayatan was a dangerous bounty, Megalodon preyed on similar whales regularly. so it really is 50/50 but I like whales so livyatan, I like megalodons and they are cool. As long as megalodons hide isn’t over 13 inches long then Livy should be able to bite through its back. livayatan would win because it has the biggest teeth of all animals and intelligent than all ocean predator. 3 wales is a challenge by themselves lol. but if meg bites first, it will kill livyatan. During gold rush, its points multiplier is 8X. It all depends whether the megalodon or the Livyatan as either young or just flat out small or if one had a physical disability or if either one had fought or not. "Livyatan would easily win because of its intellect.". So it’s basically a man with a cane/club/hammer(Livyatan) vs. a man whose sword isn’t even as long as a mans skin is thick(the meg). Even though these beasts had gone extinct long before modern humans were even around, there is still something in us that fears the deep abyss of the open ocean, and what may lurk in its depths. The leviathan’s bite force is mike tyson’s punch while the megalodon’s is mikes bite. But of the two massive animals, the killer whale may be the more formidable one, a new study has found. We have no complete fossils of either and can only make guesses. With interests in science and nature, I explores topics from a unique and sometimes controversial perspective. Megalodon is the winner, tactics and stealth together paired with veteran anti-whale tactics destroys the whale whos only advantage is size and durability. In fact humpback whales, which are only 40 ft compared to 52 for an average bull sperm whale, have been recorded fighting off orcas[3]and even preventing orcas from eating dead grey whales. and best defense. Fully grown male sperm whales rarely get preyed on by orcas so live by themselves. A single tooth that looks like it could have come from Livyatan was also found in Australia in 2016, but it could also have come from another, unknown, extinct sperm whale. cryptid (author) from USA on June 18, 2020: @Livyatan will win - That is one of the most well-thought-out responses I've ever had on one of my articles. but most of the time the winner goes to livyatan just because it can most likely 1. dive a few hundred meters deeper due to thick blubber .2 the livyatan would not give the un-intelligent megalodon time to think out its attack .3 livyatan likely had an upper hand on different ways to intercept the attack like for example the megalodon is closer to the surface so the livyatan will be smart and have time to use what ever current advantage it has over the megalodon. As a whale, it probably had echolocation too. He eats very fast, having many sharks fly in his mouth and instantly kill smaller sharks without closing its mouth. the tooth size only matters for the actual bite as it will help its strength. Yes, its teeth were more like those of a scaled-up orca, but in terms of other aspects like speed and manoeuvrability, I think it would probably have been more like a modern sperm whale, and we don't have any evidence of modern sperm whales attacking great whites. The Livyatan would win because the Meg went extinct while the sperm whales still exist. shark, it can equip up to 3 pets at a time and can break purple crystal walls. Megalodon teeth=7 inches. It is after hours of studying that I have come to this conclusion. Now replace it with a 20m 75 ton shark with skin 20 cm thick and jaws wide enough to bite even the largest orca in half. According to the eq system female animals are several times more intelligent than males of the same species simply because they are smaller. The majority of baleen whales in certain areas have endured several bites from orcas, who have 4 inch long teeth. however, if levyatan could get a bite in first, it would win because levyatans go for the spine and back, and the megaladon would not be able to move. The Megalodon indirectly appears in every Hungry Shark game, as Hungry Shark Trilogy and H… In no way in hell can the shark win this. I would say this is a close fight, but I think Megalodon wins because of its girth and bite force. Megalodon was the biggest shark that ever swam in the oceans of this world, and had the strongest bite force of any known animal. These fearsome predators shared the same ocean during the same time period and were likely well acquainted with each other. No study above, but if we take the example of the mako shark and the great white shark with a similar morphology, on realizes that the great white, despite a higher cruising speed is slower in top speed and c 'is an observation that can be made on all sharks of the same morphology and on all animals with low endurance (ex: feline) probably due to a weight / expense factor. Frankly this is a mismatch and should be locked. For the aforementioned reasons, I believe that in real life, the whale would win. Killer whales are bigger, stronger, faster, more agile, and smarter than the great white so they win because they have all the advantages plus killer whales are not actually whales but more like oversized dolphins so that's why they also have the agility advantage. Megalodon vs blue whale size The question should rather be “how smaller is a Megalodon to a blue whale?” the biggest size of a Megalodon has always been a topic of discourse because they did not possess skeletons hence making it quite difficult for scientists to decipher. but Livyatan has longer and harder teeth. Depends. Megladons only get to 80 feet at best. We must therefore forget the image of the megalodon that kills the livyathan have a jaw. A genus of ancient whale called Cetotherium would have been a target for both Megalodon and Livyatan. If this prehistoric saga Megalodon, then he might stand a chance (especially if he's going all out). For comparison, the fastest sharks today travel at 60 mph which is but not significantly. We can assume Livyatan had a similar thickness. Dolphins that are smaller Than a Big Shark or sharks that are smaller than Orcas already cause problems for the larger animal depending on the circumstance. about the same as modern male sperm whales and, I assume, male Livyatans. A true indicator(and this is still only an indicator and doesn’t necessarily always mean stuff) of intelligence is a higher number of neurons in the forebrain. Sharks are best. the killer whales have hunted sperm whales, a sperm whale eats a megalodon as a snack. megaladons liked to to bite the fins of large whales, so they can't move. So, they changed the name to the Hebrew spelling. Its teeth were almost twice the size of Megalodon’s, and if it was like whales of today it was a more agile swimmer. Neither sperm whales nor great white shark sharks are apex predators as both are preyed on by orcas. therefore It can not really be said whom would win. Although contested by mainstream science, there are some cryptozoologists who believe the Megalodon shark could still be alive today, perhaps in the deeper parts of the ocean. What ‘The Meg’ doesn’t quite get right about megalodon sharks A paleobiologist helps separate fact from fiction in the film In this image from The Meg, a megalodon shark swims past a polycarbonate “cage” containing a biological oceanographer, played by Li Bingbing. Whales today travel at 25-35 mph when scared. So based on this I’m pretty sure we can conclude a victory for Livyatan the majority of the time. Not really. Livyatan would win.The Meg was 40-60 ft, Livyatan was 40-60 ft so they were the same size. Whales are pretty fast too. These were apex predators with equal strengths and some advantages and disadvantages for both animals. So what would have been the purpose of this organ? A great whites is 2 inches but the meg is bigger. Don't get me wrong Livyatan is a pretty powerful whale and there's a possibility that Moby Dick is based on this creature(if this is true then I'm pretty sure that megalodon would have had a hard time killing it).The megalodon would have had the advantage though 88% of the time though. livyatan is a new discovered species and most will judje it because Oh its a whale whales are gentle. Livyatan, which you and I believe to be more powerful than the megalodon, has not been confirmed to have hunted any of the greater whale species and would usually consume whales about as long as 25 ft. GREAT WHITE SHARK VS KILLER WHALE - Who is the real apex predator? I think its kind of like the collossal squid vs sperm whale kinda thing. It was smarter, bigger, and that's not to mention the Livyatan's tooth size (over a FOOT long). Researchers believe the shifting ocean conditions may have played a part in the extinction of these massive predators, either influencing the creatures directly or altering their food supply. Sperm whales versus killer whales – Indian Ocean. so duh leviathan would win. 3 whales would demolish any megalodon. Or was it Megalodon? The problem is that the great white shark tends to leave a lapse of time used to check the state of its prey, which is not useful in the face of an animal potentially having one of the largest layers of skin. Before the megalodon could engage the biting sperm whale's fins or fluke tip, the whale has done the entire job of grabbing a string of chunks of the shark flesh, or simply clashing the shark in his belly or head, leading internal bleeding or lethal damage … So yes, whales and elephants are in the same league as dolphins in intelligence. It also would have possessed much greater intelligence than Megalodon. 3. A single orca would be capable of killing or at least contending with a fully grown female(females are actually bigger unlike in tooth whales)great white shark. meg can grow up to 18 meters and 60tonnes. Leviathan is just a the poop of a shrimp to Meg. Bowhead whales skin is 10-12 inches. 50 50 to me. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. The largest megalodon estimated until now, 25 killer whales have a great shot at winning here. Yes they are sightings but it’s pretty easy to see a 40 ft whale shark or 20-30 ft basking shark and think it’s 40 ft megalodon. @sirfizzwhizz: Haha alright I was just confused because you said "only 1/3". The great white on the same plane of depth as that prey, will attack directly by the jaw and several times if the prey can repel it (it is the case of the orca by proportion or of the pilot whale). A orca not orcas can kill any great white it runs into and has time after time so if it favors the killer whale like some other sites have said it would be no different, Livyatan is a sperm whale megalodon is a shark eatimg whale megalodon sometimes wins but livyatan sometimes wins too. If these apex predators came together to fight, bite force won't be very useful, however, the megalodon has a speed that is much higher than the leviathan, and the leviathan has an intellect a megalodon never had. In other words, while sperm whales are a bit more intelligent than great whites, they're not nearly as intelligent as truly intelligent animals. Meg's bite force is almost equal to the weight of leviathan. it is bigger stronger and has a quicker speed. Now we've cleared that up, here's the verdict: The male Livyatan wins owing to its significant size advantage. they have the same size and weight so its basically orca vs great white so whale wins. During gold rush, its points multiplier is 8X. One ram at the megalodon and it would be half dead. the thing is it doesn't really matter about how smart or intelligent the whale was, or how it had bigger teeth. The potential prey is a large toothed whale, Brygmophyseter, which has ventured away from its pod. I'd have to say 75% to Livyatan. They are apex predators of their time . so its 50/50. although shark can't do anything when they are flipped over but remember, Meg is way weighter than leviathan, so leviathan has no chance to flip Meg over before it ripped in piece by Megalodon. Cetaceans rival apes and elephants in intelligence[1], and while sharks are smart for fish, they still are less intelligent than Livyatan, but in a direct fight with no prep, intelligence doesn’t really help as if they could actually use all their intelligence in this hypothetical situation then the loser would anticipate who would win and flee. This would leave the megalodon totally out of it's depth (pun intended) and it would be taken out quickly. the whale need air and while the whale have air,megalodon bite it body and then the whale tries to attack but it was too late.The whale sink and die. Megalodon’s tactic is about killing whales by using ambush tactics, it uses its powerful bite force as its advantage. Megalodon or Livyatan? Otherwise it would probably lose. Megalodon uses its teeth which are sharp like a sword(i know swords are better in most situations but only cause it’s fast to parry but a shark can’t parry a whales blowing I’m only comparing the offensive capabilities because you can’t block with teeth or tails). so livyatan would sense it and bite it off. How does this post have such an insane comment-to-views ratio??? While that is 2 inches less thick than the blubber of a sperm whale, it is still thicker than Megalodons teeth are long. while livyatan was maybe only about 10 km slower but the whale was about 3 times as intelligent, The Livyathan Melvillei was not bigger then the Megalodon they were the same. but it is not always matter the number of livyatans that it takes win but the fact that the livyatan can dive to deeper depths due to thick blubber and jet the upper hand on an attack both animals could most certainly kill each other in one bite. However, there is one thing you said that I believe to be incorrect: “In case one, the first attack of the megalodon could be fatal for any type of cetacean, but not in the case of lyviathan or sperm whale because of its layer of skin and fat reducing the impact.”. Whales were much smaller at the time of the megalodon. The answer simply may be that large predators have a more difficult time adapting to changing conditions, particularly where their food sources are involved. Megalodon wins this in a very close and brutal match! It turned out sharks were not suited to being huge and whales were not suited to eating each other. I usually don't approve comments with links in them, but in this case I will make an exception. i could disagree any of the animals EASILY winning because both would have a difficult fight. Killer Wales are only 1/3 that. A tooth from the massive Megalodon shark. I don’t see how intelligence will be the most important factor. For Megalodon, just like for great whites, females were the larger sex at 13.3-17 m and 27.4-59.4 tonnes, i.e. Livyatan might have used the aforementioned head-butting technique to clobber bigger prey items into submission, but it most likely stuck to smaller victims. assuming all conditions were same with o one having the upper hand and both spotted each other at the same time i think the livyatan would win. Sperm whale skin=14 inches. Picture a Great White Shark, except three times as large, and you get some idea of what Megalodon would have been like. I believe they have almost the same size and strength or maybe bite force since livyatan eat the same prey as megalodon. "Livyatan will go to the surface for air.". Most likely Livyatan and Megalodon avoided each other. Even better. Leviathan would come up with plan b -even assuming plan a failed. The modern sperm whale, fin whale, blue whale, Sei whale, Triassic kraken, pliosaurus and colossal squid could all beat the megalodon. 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